Fourth Learning in
later life/ Grundtvig project meeting
Paris (
22-25 October 2008
Participants :
France
Monique
Epstein
Jean-Michel
Damianthe
Martine
Defosse
Finland:
Marja Toivanen
Joel
(student)
Aleksi
(student)
Lenka Prikrylova
Lenka Rolečková
Jaroslav Žáček (student)
Michal Valenta (student)
Veronika Rákosníková (student)
Kristýna Knotková (student)
Alexander Andrejs (student)
Marek Šretr (student)
Adam Jozefy (student)
Aleš Rozínek (student)
Michaela Hermannsdoerfer (
Poland
Jurek Jedlinski
Renata
Abandoned the project
The meeting
was hold in the Association E-Senior residence. The meeting started with the
short opening speech of Lenka Prikrylova which was followed by the presentations
of young people from
Each
country presents activities and experience concerning IC. The product is called
"Map of activities concerning IC" and will be published on the
web. It is a practical guide for partner organizations and for other adult
education institutions to see possibilities in this filed.
Topic of IC
presented by two 15-year old students from
1. Motivation to
teach
2. Activities concerning
IC
3. Experience
getting from teaching
4. Experience of
old people concerning IC
5. What young
people have learnt
Ad.1
Motivation
to teach is:
·
Help old people with modern technologies. Young
people know/feel that it is useful and important to senior citizens to learn to use new technology;
Ad.2
Activities
concearning IC:
· Computer
courses taught by young people;
· Cell phone
courses taught by young people;
· Classes were held
in Foibe centre with 6-20 students per class
· Classes lasted
4 hours
Ad.3
Experience
getting from teaching:
· Because
students knowledge was on a various level it was difficult to get started;
· Students were
motivated, young people had no problems with teaching;
· The teaching
results had a lot variability, some learned easily, some had difficulties;
Ad.4
Experience
of old people concerning IC:
· Seniors liked
the idea of young people teaching; learned some important basic things about
technology; enjoyed themselves.
Ad.5
What
young people have learnt:
· Teaching is
very difficult;
· It is important
to have the right attitude and motivation;
· Young people
have something to give to senior citizens;
Maria from
Present situation: Autumn 2008 - two mobile courses
done, two day course in elementary computer skills done, four day courses in
use of internet almost fully booked.
Problems to be met: there new model of easy-to-use-cell
phones. But there are no easy-to use-computers for those who makes an easy
computer for those who do not see well, whose hands shake, whose memory fails.
Problem of all partner countries.
Challenges: telephone companies close line phones; banks
charge for serving face to face; very often those looking for information are
asked to go the page www.xx.fi; young generation does not write letters, but
they might contact grandparents by email
Topic of IC presented by students of school
EDUCAnet Pardubice. They presented:
1. Motivation to
teach
2. Activities concerning
IC
3. Experience
getting from teaching
4. Experience of
old people concerning IC
5. What young
people have learnt
Ad.1
Motivation
to teach is:
·
Help old people with modern technologies. Young
people feel it as useful;
·
To learn/try how to teach.
Ad.2
Activities
concearning IC:
· Individual computer
courses taught by young people;
· Classes are held
at the
· Classes once a
week, from October-June;
· Use of
worksheets, course books, schemes.
Ad.3
Experience
getting from teaching:
· Students gained
good experience;
· Positive
intergeneration impact and influence (exchange of experience, helping each
other);
· Young people
were mostly afraid of getting respect and being able to explain everything
well;
Ad.4
Experience
of old people concerning IC:
· Seniors liked
the idea of young people teaching;
· They had most
problems with moving the mouse
· No problem with
turning on the computer but the problem is to turn it off.
Ad.5
What
young people have learnt:
· To be patient;
· See things from
different side;
· Teaching is
very difficult;
· Share
interests.
Lenka from Czech republic also presented the
current situation in the country concerning IC:
Present situation: in Pardubicky kraj results from the national strategy that is
summarized in a key governmental document
"National program for Preparation for Ageing for 2007-2013.
Projects
concearning IC:
Michaela from
1. Current
situation concerning the IC
2. Survey among
young people concerning IC
3. Activities concerning
IC
4. Fundamental
ideas concerning IC
Ad.1
Current situation concerning the IC
·
Special offers for generations in computer
training;
·
Problems with loneliness and communication. Seniors
are often alone at home. The children moved to other cities (to find a job).
They don’t have an own computer.
·
The “generation - languages” are not the same.
·
There is no understanding between the generations.
Ad.2
Survey among young people concerning IC
· Germany made a
survey among young people visiting their schools about topics concerning IC and
the best way how to cooperate.
· Their opinion
is : People from different generations working together to address community
issues.
Ad.3
Activities
concerning IC:
· Idea - Different
generations working together in sports clubs, political initiatives (party
etc.), Cultural initiatives, (theatre, choral etc.), Citizens’ initiatives with
different aims.
· Meeting place
especially for people to get - access to
new medias, access to the world, access to other generations, access to other
people
Ad.4
Fundamental
ideas concerning IC:
· Students can
gain: benefit from the vocational experience of elderly, training for
presentation and didactics, can use elderly people as a “door-opener” in
companies by looking for a new job.
· Seniors can
gain: individual computer training, catch up with new technologies, meet other
seniors and make friends. That helps against social isolation.
Presentation
of the IC by Renata:
1. Amount of
Inhabitants over 50 has been increasing in Europe (Highest rates
2. The average
length of life has been increasing (
3. Low use of the
Internet in new EU countries (
4. growing number
of seniors - problems in Poland - model of multi-generational family has disintegrated;
big amount of educated, often single, seniors
5. Intergenerational communication - Does not have an institutionalised
character (no general public debate apart from school)
6.
Obstacles for IC - no
time of young people; reciprocal conviction, that different generations have no
subjects to talk about in common; conviction on the lack of possibilities to
communicate successfully; different language.
7.
School of @ctive
Senior – S@S - the ICT methods, that form the heart of the Programme, are not
the purpose for themselves, but means for self-development, all activities for
seniors are organized and supervised by junior employees of the Regional Public
Library and universities in Cracow, senior is not a passive recipient of trainings, but is active in participating all
proposed actions; thinks creative how to spend his/her spare time and makes use
of Library’s resources.
8.
Best practices:
·
Computer education offered to seniors by
younger people, combining of seniors’ knowledge and youngsters’ enthusiasm in
realisation of projects,
·
Self-organisation of
seniors around the motto „Elderliness is beautiful!!”,
·
Strengthening of
seniors’ conviction, that they constitute a substantial consumer and electoral
group,
·
Organisation of a
joint action (with junior partners) with a strong social message (work, family,
ecology, culture etc.),
·
Transmition of
traditions
·
Café for the ages - Citizen
debates, Discussion forums, Colloquiums
to reflect on ways to: enable different generations to live together, to put
forward joint projects
·
Leisure Groups ("The
Internet Tea Salon": listening to music, singing...)
·
Communal Activities (Theater,
storytelling, conferences...)
·
House Sharing (Students
living with elders)
·
·
Problems concerning Spain abandoning the
project - Spain announced it late, Poland has already bought the ticket; all
partners wrote an official letter to the Spanish agency to help it work it out.
Coordinator is supposed to post it to all national agencies.
·
Another meeting will be held instead of meeting
in Spain to fill the motilities
·
Meeting will be held in
·
·
Change of the date - 15.-17.June 2009
·
All details will be discussed in
·
New project
on a higher level - ideas: School of the active seniors (
·
Study of all possibilities till
·
Will be discussed in
Public conference on the topic of Inter-Generation Communication held in
the Town hall of the 11th