Third Learning in later life/ Grundtvig project meeting
4-8 June 2008
Lenka Prikrylova (
Petra Pavlasova (
Marja Toivanen (Finland)
Matti Tossavainen (Finland)
+ Pirjo Rantaniemi (
Monique Epstein (France)
Jean-Michel Damianthe (France)
Michaela Hermannsdoerfer (
Anne Buchmann (
Helga Waterloo (
Lidia Maria Jedlinska (Poland)
was hold in the Foibe residence. Foibe is a center for senior citizens,
composed of 4 parts: Common services part including swimming pool, restaurant,
meeting rooms, library, computers room, etc; Residence with medical survey; Normal
residence with rooms to rent;
The meeting started with the presentation of present people:
- Marja Liisa is voluntary worker in Foibe and teaching computer courses
- Monique (France) is manager for E-seniors organisation
Each country presents different activities and experience with organization, people, finance etc. The product is called "Map of activities for senior citizens" and will be published on the web. It is a practical guide for partner organizations and for other adult education institutions to see possibilities of teaching in this filed.
Concerning the project, the activities are senior oriented : it is a School of @ctive Senior – S@S , which the major goal is to stimulate and foster the activity of senior citizens and to provide conditions for their integration and (self-) fulfillment.
Modulus of the S@S(“ Programme Lines”):
We have computer courses for beginners and advanced with 10 people and 2 teachers
For advanced courses : searching internet, searching book lending system, scanner, training and lectures about banking systems
Students are meeting once a week when the library is open.
To stimulate civil activity of senior citizens directed towards representing of the peers interest against public authorities through:
All courses are taking place in the library, which is also a good place to make cross-generation meetings talking about books.
Two main activities :
for seniors without experience
most are more than 60 years old
Lessons are 5 afternoons, each 3 times 45 minutes
The maximum number is 10 people in group.
Each one has his own working place
It costs 6 euros per afternoon, which is cheap
The courses are one specific day in the week but people have free access on other days.
For advanced level :
work processing and formatting for people who already know basics or learned 1rst course
4 afternoons twice a week (so 2 week as a whole ) - free 6 euros
seniors help each other
possibility to train free on other days
Other course more internet oriented – not only seniors
internet basic search
preparing holidays = complete task
safety in using internet
working with links
using emails and having address
As people see their children only once a year, the internet connection is very important
This is a morning course with up to 12 participants, working in groups, 5 mornings
There is a special fee for seniors
They also learn :
- create greeting cards with word-arts (for Christmas, etc..)
- first steps to create a homepage with Frontpage for “Café mit Anschluss”
Later on, they might continue with internet site creation
The latest activity has been to collect recipes from different countries (people are from different origins) and printing out a booklet.
other offers without computers :
-using GPS, mobile phones, health courses
-guided visits: schools, factories...
- in June :
daily tour to
- working together with library staff : library visits
During the first year of the project we have had three kinds of courses, cellular phones, elementary use of computers and internet banking. These have been conducted by two voluntary workers with the help of students. The problems is how to advertise of the possibility to join the project as there is not money for general costs. We have used leaflets in the libraries and once a subsided advertisement in the local paper. One article in a local paper has also brought publicity.
Wellness-TVfor seniors presented later in these minutes is also a part of our project.
courses about mobile telephone
Each course is 4 hours, as participant prefer them to longer programs. Participants pay 5 euros pro course to cover the cost of facilities.
Teachers: 2 voluntary workers and 1-2 students from to near by technical University Laurea.
Problem :Most telephones are too small, some to the participant have problems in memorizing/learning.
By now we have had 4 basic course for those who are real new-beginners
and an advanced course which continues basic course and where other features are taught like
It is impossible
to go through all features, because telephones are too different and nowadays as complicated as computers, but the main aim is to make the
users confident with the basic functions and their ability to learn more. This
is very important as in
course about internet banking
There are less and less bank agencies so internet banking becomes more important.
There was a course given by two bank employees but they have their jargon and proceed too fast. Expert are anyway useful, but the voluntary workers have to help the participants in practicing the new skills. In the future selecting participants must be more effective ie. only those who have computers at home and are at least somewhat familiar with them, can take this type of courses.
Courses how use computers
There are many courses for people to learn to use computers, but they are not suitable for old ones who need more individual tuition.
The residents in Foibe are rather old and their condition is not good. This means that most of the participants until present have come from outside. Even if the fee (5 euros) is low, many feel that they cannot afford it.
There is a problem of how to publicize in the area about courses
See french map of activities
The lessons are individual lessons about basics of computers as young people are going to seniors’ homes (people over 50) to teach them. The idea is also to connect 2 worlds : young and old, which seems to be a good idea for both.
Each senior have his own teacher so the relationship gets strong and students get part of family
Students get advice from their teachers how to do the course
The important is : slow pace teaching
Other planned activities :
This is a project of interactive personalized TV for seniors
- Laurea University of Applied Siences, Tikkurila Unit
- Foibe Diakoniasäätiö witch offers in Palvelukeskus Foibe (Foibe Service Center) apartments, services and activities mainly for the elderly people.
This project was set up with and for young students learning social services and healthcare providing them a new way of applied studies in a new technological environment.
The group of elderly people was of 11 persons. The students make programs for elderly people. About health, counseling, healthy food, services, music, etc. They make program in function of the needs and demands of the seniors for as much as once a week from February to may 2008.
Programs can include conferences (web conferencing), music audition, games ( such as everybody says a sentence and the group sets up a whole story - creating a group story), group gymnastics.
There are some but few technical problems (sound should be better).
One can also think of having it on the TV screen of a person in her room, having , in the morning, somebody greetings ( saying : Good morning!!) on the screen.
The TV is in closed network so no security problems
Held on 22nd May 2008 with a great success. The organization was guaranteed by students, they were also helping their "students" not to be nervous, 6 seniors participated
Questions with multiple answers in category 4
Radio spot was created by journalist who visited the Games
See powerpoint presentation
It lasted, in average, one hour and a half
The questionnaire :
SOG were held on the 29th of may 2008
It was intended for people over 60 and only for seniors who attended the courses in the library
A lot of people wanted to compete but from other associations
10 seniors attended : 6 women and 4 men of age between 69-85
There is an article on the website of the library :
See photos >>>
Templates for lessons - all partners have to send the template before the end of June
The list of questions - finalization.
meeting begins on the 22nd (evening) of October in
Every partner is expected to prepare questions (at least 5) for the debate about intergenerational communication
It can be questions or description of problems of non-communication.
They should be sent before the end of August
Then we centralize and keep a set of significant questions/subjects which will be sent to all partners who have to prepare for it.
For the meeting of October, each country is supposed to prepare a powerpoint with the problems and their local answers – if possible with the help of young people!
One example of theme :
- The way of talking by SMS and the new way of spelling is a communication barrier
- Young generation angry against older about wasting the good things of the planet or about pension problems
Approximate schedule will be :
Thursday 23 of October morning : young people/ or partners present their powerpoint presentations in front of the group of project responsible partners
Thursday 23 of October afternoon : discussion about
next steps :
Thursday late afternoon and evening sightseeing
Friday 24 morning sightseeing
afternoon big convention /meeting with French
professionals (translation provided) in the town hall of the 11th arrondissement of
25th : sightseeing : visit to
came from Exergaming
Seen on wiiseniors.org
Our mission is to provide the elderly and the youths of today the ability to connect through technology, fitness and fun.
Some movies on the site